WELL HERE YA GO. Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. The ship had never been at Difference in Titanic's name plate For sure bunker "W" was emptied as this is mentioned by survivors. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted Quite simply, Titanic had 14 portholes on the port side C deck (bow) when launched, but in the following months she received 2 extra for better light and air. Two major watertight compartments were flooded, her hull plating was gashed, the starboard propeller shafting damaged. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. This was standard White Star Line practice. (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com). While the Californian was primarily designed to transport cotton, there is absolutely no evidence that it had a Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Claim: Olympic could The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. The Turkish bath spaces were different. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. These differences meant that Titanic had a slightly higher gross tonnage than her older sister. - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). As in the previous points, we know that damage to the Olympic did not include a 'warped keel'. There are a couple of important points to first realise. Claim: Titanic's lifeboats had small brass I.D plaques screwed on them and they all said "RMS Olympic". There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. The fact that the Olympic went on to serve 24 years is simply because the damage was repaired. Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations For more information on the conspiracy theory that J.P. Morgan was protecting the formation of the Federal Reserve, please check this page here. There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. He was awarded the Queens Gold Medal for Poetry in 2007 and won the PEN Pinter Prize in 2015. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. 41. 7:15 PM. 49. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. Discoloured plating on Titanic And how much ice would be on rigging anyway? Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). Their error is simple: actually Titanic would have been the same tonnage as Olympic i.e. Due to the lack of media coverage ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. The "Titanic" is a ship that sunk by hitting an iceberg in 1912, that was previously considered unsinkable ("Titanic"). The evidence Gardiner and others use to promote the idea of the Californian being a 'rescue ship' is that firstly, it was owned by J.P. Morgan (a "major figure at White Star"), left London in a hurry (as it could only do 12 knots and had to get there first) and was mysteriously sailing during a coal strike (when coal would have been more expensive) . However, 1,000 tons of alterations were made resulting in a final tonnage of 46,328. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. Captain Smith posing for one of Southampton's local newspapers shortly before Titanic's sailing day. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. 34. Ultimately, when asked about the Olympic 'switch' theory he went on record as saying the wreck is Titanic. Firstly Titanic was not a "steel double-hulled vessel". Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. 37. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. White paint on the wreck of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". (British Enquiry (Day 3) Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". One of the ships bells was They would only be interested in shorter crossings. off the bell. 19345. and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. Olympic officers on the bridge However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. 3. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? 28. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . 26. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. According to Britannica.com "on April 11, 1912, the Carpathia departed from New York City for Fiume, carrying some 740 passengers." Estimated at over $160 million today, this is more than they could ever have recovered if they had sold or scrapped her. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. When the After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. Olympic was the first to be launched, pronounced the largest and most luxuriest ship in the world. Of course there is none. He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, Updates? 46. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. Take the dining saloon. In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? (for more information see here). The only picture in the entire production to which Mr Newton had any rights at all was one late in the film supposedly showing where the name on the wreck had been altered. Paddy said that the guilt of But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? 3. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. Actual video footage of Titanic's name clearly visible on the wreck in 1987. anything like this. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. 'The Olympic Room' 8. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." Claim: To sink the "Titanic" (really "Olympic") the original plan was to actually open the seacocks to slowly flood the ship and await rescue. This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. 13. There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. Does it reveal evidence of suspicious or unusual damage? (Click to enlarge). Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch 6. According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? It came from a mold and so there should be no surprise they are exactly the same, that is what you expect from faux marble. To confirm this Parks Stephenson visited B-52 with James Cameron on a later mission in 2001 and described the room as still retaining "several of its fittings. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. So higher or sealed bulkheads would not necessarily have prevented Titanic from sinking, James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! Far from the wisdom of the brain. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. Where is the photograph? Additionally, they were not "in the middle of a coal strike". Well it first must be noted that compared to the Also as above, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? THERE IS NO MORE THEORY. If not, it is a moot point. Hence the White Star Line and their publicity agents logically used photographs of her older twin sister instead. The ships that were launched were not launched in a finished state. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. Difference in number of Titanic's portholes 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. Mr Harold Arthur Sanderson, Director of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company (not from Harland and Wolff as claimed), In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. 42. EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. 47. saw a lot of iceon the deck The second photograph is of Titanic, while still being fitted out in 1911, which shows no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. the game. In fact all ships of the Olympic Class (i.e. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' However his comments that the "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. And they were not the only ones. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Carpathia was the planned rescue ship Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. 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