IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. PATH. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. Or just stay on your train. Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. 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In 1951 Bergen Beach hadn't yet gained its acreage of tract housing. 1,2. The upper level at Utica Ave station on the Fulton Line would be used but only half of the existing structure would be needed since the modern line would be two tracks. I like the basic idea. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. [31], For the station at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, see, Elevator at northwest corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway, in Eastern Parkway median, Last edited on 30 November 2022, at 09:22, Utica Avenue station (IND Fulton Street Line), "Facts and Figures: Annual Subway Ridership 20142019", "Subway to Brooklyn Opened for Traffic; First Regular Passenger Train Went Under the East River Early This Morning. These look less industrial than plain Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. 127 Utica Avenue Brooklyn, NY, 11213-2338. And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). But boring tunnels is much more common these days. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. It would reduce the need for bus transfers. You bring up a good point. Just an idea! The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. That leaves the Broadway portion The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. They must be pillar free for security. And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. As per your proposal. But what this plan does is allow for a new and better city to grow around the line rather than be divided by it. There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. And normal service would still be able to run. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Have a design contest; results Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. I see no value in that whatsoever. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. Some of the old trolley poles are still there! On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. And reworking Lafayette/Atlantic and Montague is all extra card shuffling that wont help Utica Ave riders anymore when they could just take the IRT express AS IS and be done with it. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. Even today Utica makes too much sense. Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. . Now we reach Utica Ave. Going further the stations could even be built by private developers who would get a height bonus for building the station. So are you proposing adding a branch that runs north of Eastern Parkway to Fulton St? This final station is worth considering because even though half the catchment area is parkland and the Mill Basin canal the station would serve the popular Kings Plaza Mall and there is space for a modern bus terminal for better service around southeastern Brooklyn and to the Rockaways. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. 7. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. Thank you. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. The ascending tunnel grade would be about 1.4% and the descending 3.3%, both reasonable. Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. Four side platforms. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. Use upside down flying buttresses (floating buttresses?). Also major problem. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). Great idea. For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. Place station house under tracks in median. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. "Not a lot of people get to see this area," said Doug Nintzel with the . On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. Knowing the reality of MTA construction I would argue that the second plan is the preferable option. Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. . Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. Abandoned Mineral . Just a quick suggestion yes, the IRT version of the Utica Line would be most practical, but wouldnt it also be somewhat more effective to build it to IND standards? Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. Nice ideas so far! But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. But what Im proposing, and what Im sure no City plan would dare propose, is that the line not run above the center of the avenue such as existing elevated but rather along private land on the west side of the street. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. Utica Avenue Subway Station. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Off-road (Chicago style). Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? (This post was also meant for a different article.). que mangent les gendarmes insectes. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. In fact, it makes pretty much every stop that the current B46SBS makes except for Winthrop, which IMO is not really deserving of a stop. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. What companies run services between Newark Penn Station, NJ, USA and Utica Avenue Station, NY, USA? Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. I thought that was my craziest but. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. PABT-Times Square awkward? Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius 2. Far simpler with more capacity. Now we dont want that, do we? The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. 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